Ayah Paul Abine ,a former Member of Cameroon’s National Assembly for ten years, is currently the Secretary-General of People’s Action Party(PAP) and an iconic critic of the Biya Regime.Last September 30,he stood for reelection to serve a 3rd five-year mandate as MP but did not legally win.This career magistrate of exceptional class who was a 2011 presidential candidate,has gone without monthly salary now for almost a year ,seemingly because he is an ardent critic of the Biya Regime.Also an advocate of the Independence of Southern Cameroons,Hon Ayah is now bombarded with clarion calls to take over the leadership of the SCNC,which champions the restoration of the Independence of Southern Cameroons .He sat down last July 3, in Buea, for an exclusive interview with Recorder Editor Christopher Ambe. .Following are excerpts of the interview:
Honourable
Ayah Paul, after the September 30,2013
parliamentary election which you legally lost after serving two five-year
terms, how have you been campaigning now for the development of your
constituency-Akwaya subdivision, considering that as MP you campaigned
vigorously for government projects in the enclave subdivision?
I must first thank
you for saying I lost legally but not in fact. It is true that we did not win
the election legally because the commission was set up by law. That aside, the
least I can say as you rightly said is that I did what I could for the
development of Akwaya subdivision. And, when on the 19th February
2013 I drove to Akwaya-for the first time without passing through Nigeria, you
can imagine the degree of self-fulfillment I had. Now that I am not in Parliament,
I have not relented; the antennae for Orange and MTN are completed, I hear very
soon Akwaya have telephone network. We have completed the structure for a
community radio station; I have been discussing with the powers that be to make
the Mamfe- Akwaya-Wum road a national road ,so that can help to fund the
clearing of the road every year; in fact ,simply to maintain the road every year.
So I am not relenting, I am doing my best, to continue what I did while in
parliamentary.
Has
your successor as MP, Chief Elias Igelle, already approached you so that
together both of you can better fight for the development of the subdivision?
I think a week to the
election he lost the mother and I went to his house back in the village to condole
with him and I told him that it is good that we are in different parties so
that which ever party wins, we should be represented in Parliament. But since
his election, he has neither met me nor talked with me. They treat me as an
“opposant”(opposition) since I am not in the ruling CPDM. So since his election
we have not had any exchanges.
Are
you still willing to work with him for the development of Akwaya?
I have always held
that whatever your position, once somebody is elected you have to work with the
person elected. Whether rightly or wrongly, the elected person represents the people;
he speaks in the name of the people; what he says carries more weight than what
an individual says because he talks in the name of the community. So I will
work with any body who represents my community-even if he is not there because
the people voted for him.
Now that you are no longer an MP but had
served as a two-term MP doing much for
your constituency (Akwaya) and Cameroon as a whole, how do you earn a living? What
is your source of income now?
Well, after election
I said that as a matter of law, when you leave your ministerial department and
you are in parliament, you are said to be on detachement-translated by some quarters as secondment. But I do not know whether that is an English word:I prefer
the French word detachement. And, that at the end of your detachement you
are supposed to go back to your Ministry of origin. And that is said to be automatic;
but when they stopped my salary some ten months ago from the National Assembly,
I compiled a file and submitted to the Minister of Justice, saying my mandate
is over in the National Assembly, and by law I am supposed to come back to my ministry;
I have not attained the age of retirement, so I have to come back as of right.
But the Minister has been silent since then. But I don’t regret it, because my
children have made up their minds that I must be happy. But the truth is that
for ten months in my own right I have not had a Franc as salary, contrary to
the provisions of the law.
Do
you see the non-payment of your salary as punishment by the CPDM government, conscious
that some high authorities liken you to a thorn in the flesh of the Government
in power?
There is no authority
that is above the law, not even the President of the Republic. They have no right
to punish anybody who has not been found guilty by a court of law.I have not
been before any court. I did just what I thought was in the interest of the
nation and I continue to work in the interest of the nation.
So
far, have you got any unofficial reason from any authority why the Magistrate
of Exceptional Class (Super scale Judge) that you are has not been receiving
his salary for almost a year?
Not all. I have been
invited to Yaoundé on about three occasions. Some people tried to prevail on me
to go back to the CPDM or to join the Presidential Majorty or to accept a
ministerial post, but I made it clear –I said this even on TV, that I cannot serve
under Mr.Biya.If it is a government of national unity, I could reconsider but
working under Mr. Biya, that he sits and appoints me-especially at a time that
they are on their way out, I definitely cannot!
Do
you think that the CPDM Government is withholding your salary because you are a
leader of an opposition political party?
The law is that those
in uniform and administrators and so on cannot do politics. I have not seen
anything in the law that if you are a member of the judiciary you cannot do politics.
And I have not seen anywhere in the law that if you are in the judiciary, you
cannot be head of a political party.
You remember that
during the last election, it was the Legal Department that fought against us (Peoples
Action Party) in Lebialem. Those are members of the judiciary just as I am. And
if they do that I do not see how the mere fact of being head of a political
party precludes me from earning my salary as civil servant.
As
a magistrate of exceptional class, are you saying that you are going to sit
quiet and rely on the generosity of your children to keep you going when as of
right you are entitled to a monthly salary from the State? What do you plan to
do next?
You know Mr. Biya is
everything: head of the judiciary, head of state, head of the armed forces,
head of the football team, and head of everything. So, may be going to court is
just wasting one’s time. But I am talking with my lawyer about the situation
and we may eventually go to his (Mr.Biya’s) court. Let the court determine
whether I constitute an exception. For now, we have just been discussing; we have
not yet taken any concrete step.
Honorable,
recently you have been more vocal about the marginalization of Anglophone Cameroon.
There are fears by Government that you may be sponsoring the SCNC, whereas some
of us are aware of the non-payment of your salary. What is your reaction?
You say Anglophone,I
don’t like that appellation any more because our schools are now flooded by people o ‘f La Republic du
Cameroun’. So Anglophone now is a definition that is very difficult for one to
really grasp. So,I prefer Southern Cameroon. I am a Southern Cameroonian. There
is no doubt that I support the independence, freedom of Southern Cameroon.
There is no doubt about this.
Unfortunately, I have
gone for ten months without a salary,; there
is no way I can sponsor myself much less can I sponsor the liberation
movement. But if I had the means, I can assure you that I won’t hesitate to
sponsor the freedom of our people. In fact, that is a right that even God has
given us. But as at now I don’t have the means! But If I had, I would support.
Word
is circulating that you are being considered as a possible successor of Chief
Ayamba Ottun the leader of the SCNC who just died. What is your take on that?
It is interesting
because I met somebody form La Republique du Cameroun, who said that Ayamba is in
fact Ayah,that Mba has been added there
just to confuse issues. In fact, a lot of people have met me –some
people by phone from overseas and the country asking me to lead the liberation
movement. What I have told them is that as at now I am not a registered member
and it appears by the constitution I cannot .So I have not given my opinion
concretely. But I have not said no either. I think I buy somebody’s idea that,
if you don’t have a cause you can die for then you don’t have any reason to live.
That is a cause that one can die for-the liberation of our people. When I look
round and see my people being treated as if they are on foreign land,it hurts.
So I have not said yes or no. Events s in the days or weeks ahead can give us a
leeway to draw a conclusion.
Would
you really say the cause for the freedom of Southern Cameroonians is progressing?
Eh, a lot! You may have
heard about my letter to the Secretary-General of the UN.I am working on a
letter now for the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
In fact, we have
dispatched somebody with a memo to the UN,asking them to table our matter
before the General Assembly, because the
UN Charter makes allowance for non-member states to table matters if such
threaten regional or world peace. More and more people are beginning to listen to
us. You may have heard of a group of British MP’s who have taken up the issue.
You have heard of the Organization for Unrepresented Peoples we are working
with. We are making moves. Cameroon government may minimize what is happening
but they are really afraid. They know what is happening and that they are
standing on shaky grounds
The
cause you support is so sensitive that others prefer to hide and fight but from
overseas. But you have the audacity to be backing it while you are here in
Cameroon. Are you not worried about your security?
What security? At my
age-I am 60 years; I think I have made my impact. I have shown you what my
children are doing for me. They will do many more things. I have no reason to
be afraid. People fought and died for the independence we are enjoying today.
And why can’t we also fight and die for
posterity to enjoy the fruits of our efforts. I am not afraid of any thing; if
I were afraid I would not have stood up to Mr. Biya telling him that it was
immoral for him to revise the constitution and perpetuate his stay in power. If
I did that, I don’t see how staying here in my own territory I would be afraid
of foreign faces.
Let
me deviate a bit. I understand you are a football fan. What conclusion did you
draw when the Indomitable Lions before going to this year’s World Cup in
Brazil, rejected the Cameroon flag handed to them by Prime Minister Philemon Yang?
Well, he is a prime
minister without power. Though I was there, and I am still ready to serve under
the public service, I don’t believe that my brother, Mr.Yang is a prime
minister in La Republique du Cameroun, to the extent that he can give a flag in
the name of La Republique. He is a Southern Cameroonian, and the least we
expect is that, he should join forces with us to fight the liberation of our
state. The Francophone team that was going to Brazil had every reason to say
“we don’t know you as one of us”. I think that is the implication of what they
did; not because they had in mind that their bonuses had not be paid. It was
clear message that “Look, we don recognize you here”. And in fact, you see that
the real man taking decision, talking to the pres is the Secretary-General at
the Prime Minister’s Office.Mr. Loui Paul Motaze, not Mr.Yang.
Where
do you actually get your strength from to be fighting all these battles?
All
you need is just the moral strength; the ability to make things happen; the
ability to do things honestly. Once you are fighting for a just cause, God steps
in for assistance. May be as we are talking now, tomorrow we may find ourselves
liberated –even without a gun shot!
You
are the SG of the People’s Action Party (PAP).How is the party faring after
last September 30 elections?
You
know PAP was sponsored almost exclusively by myself and I don’t have the means
now.Again, remember when the Supreme Court of Cameroon came out with some kind
of thing they called judgment against us, I said that they had just told me that
I should go back home and I was returning to Southern Cameroons, my home
territory with joy.
PAP is still there
but efforts are now shifted tremendously from PAP to SCNC.We are more now on
the side of liberation than fooling ourselves that we can make any headway, in
what they call union with La Republique du Cameroun.
Any
appeal to Southern Cameroonians?
They
should know that there is only one home where you are free. Everywhere else,
however the people accept you, someday somehow they will tell you or your
children that you don’t belong here. Southern Cameroons is our territory. You
don’t get independence by joining. We have to sit down and work for our
independence!
(First Published in The RECORDER Newspaper, Cameroon,of July 9,2014)
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