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| Hon.Lord Justice Ayah Paul Abine |
RECORDER: Hon. Ayah, happy New Year.
Hon Ayah :Thank you .Thank you for coming .Happy New Year to you in
return.
RECORDER:Honorable, how would
you as a polititician describe the just-ended year 2014?
Hon Ayah:2014 was more of a fake year than otherwise in terms of
politics. We have often said that there is no legality in what we call reunification
in Cameroon. So the big event titled “The Fiftieth Anniversary of the Reunification
of Cameroon” was really fake. As I have often said, our parliament has ceased to
play the role of a parliament-because we don’t see a situation where Parliament
is in session to enact the finance law and while they are still in session, the
President of the Republic -after a cabinet meeting, comes out with they call Plan d’Urgence-that is, revenue outside
the control of Parliament.
The much I know is that the Cameroon Constitution
provides that the President can, by ordinance, make use of revenue outside the budget;
and subsequently, Parliament would meet and either endorse the ordinance or
reject it. But I know no law anywhere where we can have two parallel budgets in
a country: the one adopted by Parliament and the one adopted by the President of
the country. This is violation of the Constitution. And when we put into practical
terms, the investment budget of 2014 was executed at less than 35%, now if we have adopted a budget which
is even higher in amount and the President has superimposed what they call Plan
d’Urgence up to a thousand billion FCFA, I doubt where the President is going
to get the people who will execute the budget and the Plan d’Urgence.The very
people who could not execute the budget of 2014? So to me, it is a paradox .In terms of
political events, I would say nothing really happened in 2014.
RECORDER:What is your reaction to President Biya’s New Year Message?
Hon Ayah:I know the President
has just made an end-of -year speech but everything in that speech is just routine.
Countries around have gone to war over the years, yet they are developing. If
Boko Haram-what they call a terrorist organization, is causing havoc, I don’t
see how anyone can invoke it as a cause for our country not to develop. Indeed,
2014 was simply a year of contradictions.
RECORDER:A few days before the end of 2014, your name, I understand,
was a subject of discussion in various newsrooms of the national media, because
you were allegedly elected in absentia as National Chairman of the Southern
Cameroons National Council (SCNC); then shortly, in a answer to your cry, to be
re-integrated into the Ministry of Justice after your 11 years in Parliament,
President Paul Biya appointed or promoted you to the rank of Advocate-General
at the Supreme Court. What is your reaction?
Hon Ayah:My reaction, first, is that I have decided not to say
anything about SCNC in the time being. I may give you another opportunity to
come for an interview on the SCNC on a subsequent date. So, I would not say
anything in that regard now
As regards my going back to Ministry of Justice, I read a few
write-ups which have no meaning. I think that, modesty demands that if somebody
does not know, they should seek expert opinion. What I know is that the law of
this country makes it possible to leave your department as a civil servant and
work in another department; and the law provides for detachment. (I have heard
the word secondment, but I have not
seen it in an English dictionary. So I prefer detachment) When you are so
detached,at the end of your period of detachment, the law provides that you
come back to your former department as of right; the law on the election of Members
of Parliament equally provides that for all the time you are in Parliament if
you are a member of the judiciary, you are on detachment; which is to say what? For my eleven years in Parliament
I was on detachment and as a matter of law and at the end of my mandate, I had
to go back to my ministry of origin as of right. This is a matter of law as I
have said and I, as a man of law should not be the first man to go against that
law.
I would have been re-absorbed in the Ministry of Justice as
soon as my mandate came to an end in September 2013 in accordance with the law,
but for one reason or the other that was not the case and I had to wait for
fifteen months.
Probably as some people have indicated it was because the
Judicial Council had to meet to re-absorb me. I entered Parliament as
Vice-President of the Court of Appeal here in Buea and therefore a magistrate
of the bench, and I could not be absorbed until the Judicial Council had to say
something about it. So is the law and I have simply complied with it.
RECORDER:Honourable Justice
Ayah, conscious of some landmark judgments that you have passed, many people
would have preferred that you be appointed as a judge at the Supreme Court. Are
you happy with your appointment as Advocate-General?
Hon Ayah:In the Cameroon judiciary things are not as they are in the
Anglophone system. The position of Advocate-General may be translated simply as
Deputy Attorney-General in the Anglo-Saxon system. With the English
system-Common Law, everybody is a lawyer. They practice the law (and the judges
sitting up there) and when you shine, you are now raised from down there to the
bench, and once you are raised to the bench you remain there until retirement
or death or whatever. In the Cameroonian system, you can be on the bench this
year and next year you go to the Legal Department. Or, you are in the Legal Department
and the next time you are on the bench. I don’t know what criteria they use but
so it is!
The fact, however, remains that in my career I was
essentially on the bench. For my twenty-four years before entering Parliament,
I was on the bench for twenty years and in the Legal Department for just four
years. So whatever they used to keep me on the bench I wouldn’t know and
whatever they have used now to put me in the Legal Department I wouldn’t know
either; but the point is that wherever you are you do justice!
I have done my best I think many people might have seen what
I tried to do.So, wherever I am I would render justice to everybody without
fear or favor. The public can count on me.
RECORDER:Conscious of the
courage and dynamism in your leadership some people feel that you should have turned
down your appointment as Advocate-General, and continue as a politician and
Secretary-General of Peoples Action Party(PAP).As Advocate-General ,could you
still practice politics?
Hon Ayah:Let me say something. We do a lot of talking in the country
with little action and people draw conclusions with very little knowledge of
the real situation on the field. I was member of the judiciary; my people cried
out and I got into politics. Now I have gone back to the judiciary-because I have a choice
either not to go or to go.
I applied to go on early retirement and my
application was turned down .But just sitting down and saying I will continue
in politics does not make sense. These are the first people to cry that you
cannot do politics without money. And If I have stayed for 15 months without a
franc I don’t know what politics I would have done without a source of income.
So, the choice is entirely mine and I think that it is better for me to build
my career.
Those who heard the appointment and those who are reading me would
understand that, I was raised to the highest point in the Judiciary; I was
raised to Index 1300, backdated to July 1, 2012, which means that by now in
accordance with the law-the statute on the Judiciary I have clocked Index
1400.I don’t see how I opted for a career and all of a sudden I would turn away
in favor of politics and lose what may help me in the end. What may help me in
the end in the sense that, my pension would be calculated on my index level.
So, I have to prepare my future. You cannot work for the society without being
alive, without having the means to work.
So working for the society is one thing, but you have to work
for yourself as another thing. And, without working for yourself, you cannot
work for society. My Priest recently told me that the only useful person is the
person who is alive.
I don’t see how I can do politics without a means of
livelihood.
For all the time I have been in politics I have received very
little support from Cameroonians in terms of material support. For the whole
presidential election, all the money anybody gave me here in Cameroon amounted
to almost one hundred thousand Francs-as presidential candidate. So when people
say you have the dynamics to lead in politics, they are paying lip-service; If
they give you the means to do that ,of course you would do it but they do all
the talking, but very little ,practically.
Now, Can I do politics as an advocate –general of the Supreme
Court?
I am well aware that I have two impediments: One is the issue
of neutrality. In fact, I prefer impartiality. And then, you must be reserved.
Reserved in the sense that if a matter crops up and you have expressed an
opinion about the matter and if it eventually comes before you, you must
decline jurisdiction. So there you have those two impediments. But as much as I
have read in the law in this country, only people in uniform and who carry
guns, and administrators are barred from practicing politics while they are
civil servants. I have not seen anything that precludes a magistrate from doing
politics.
Again, as a member of the Legal Department, as a legal
officer, you don’t take final decisions. You submit, the person who takes the
final decision is the person presiding. Again, you have the possibility of
self-recusal (a legal jargon), that is you say that ‘I have an interest and so
I cannot hear it, I cannot prosecute it or I cannot represent the state with
regards of the matter’. So, those possibilities are there.Everyhting put
together as I have explained, there is nothing that bars a magistrate of the
Legal Department from practicing politics.
RECORDER:Would you not consider
giving up the position of Secretary-General of People’s Action Party (PAP) so that
you concentrate better on your career for now?
Hon Ayah:I will think about that. But for the time being I cannot give
an outright answer .People at times look at political parties in Cameroon in
terms of individuals. A political party is a group of people; so one person,
perhaps, not leading does not mean that it is the end of the party. I agree
entirely that in respect of PAP a good many people came forward and joined because
they knew me and bought my ideas. But now that I have reduced the ideas into
writing, they are there to guide the rest of the people just in case I decide
to step aside
RECORDER:Let me take you back to
your salary situation. For some 15 months ago you went without your monthly
salary and the people who want you to lead in the political domain, I mean your
supporters (apart from your family) did not come to your assistance. What is
your salary situation now?
Hon Ayah:In fact, this is the sixteenth month without a salary; It is
true that I received nothing from anybody except from my family relations. The
situation now may change because as I said my promotion was backdated to 2012,
which is to say that I should be expecting some arrears. So we are looking
forward to a better tomorrow. At the moment, the situation has not changed
where I was in the last 15 months.
( First Published in The RECORDER Newspaper, Cameroon, of
January 8, 2015 )
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